Infant Daycare Costs

I am preparing myself for the shock of childcare jobs costs, but haven’t a specific number yet.  Since it is very early for me to be calling places, I was hoping for some input from others in the group who are closer to using daycare, or who have other children in daycare. I’m hearing $175 a week in Mass for commercial day care centers; $150 for at home moms who can take in up to 6 children in their homes (Mass laws allow for 6 in a home, up to 2 who are children of the provider).  Are these numbers in the ballpark?  If so, I’m thinking au pair, which I HAVE researched, and that is between $190-205 a week.  I think it will be worth the extra money (if it is indeed extra per week – obviously the extra household costs are not included in this figure).

I can not stay at home, since I make 2X what my husband does. He just finished a law degree at night, and it is important to us that he starts a legal job ASAP. We feel that if he doesn’t use this degree to change careers soon, that he will have a hard time getting a legal job after a few years off with baby. Despite our healthy income, we struggled for 7 months while my husband took a leave of absence from his job to study for finals, graduate, study for the bar exam, take the bar exam (he passed!), and do some volunteer work for legal aid. This doesn’t mean we can’t do better, but I know our costs will be going up and want to create a realistic budget.

Taking Advantage of Daycare

Some parents are taking advantage of their daycare providers. Numerous parents go through the same cycles. They bring their children to childcare job centers and the first few weeks they have a very difficult time leaving their children, there are tears from both the children and parents. But after getting adjusted the advantage taking begins. Parents start picking up later and later, and dropping off earlier and earlier. They stop feeding their children breakfast in the morning, expectation us to do it. They start showing up without phone calls five to thirty minutes after closing time, with no apologies. Many parents try to fool us and pretend they don’t get off work until five thirty or six o’clock when we know they get off work at three- thirty, why aren’t they spending that valuable time with their children!

Another way of taking advantage is by ignoring the illness guidelines. By law sick children are not allowed to attend daycare. If a child is vomiting or has diarrhea they must be kept home for at least twenty four hours after the symptoms have stopped.  Many parents don’t want to miss work so they lie about their children being sick.

Many times a child will get sick at daycare, and daycare providers will call the parents and say their child has a fever of 102, and has been crying and throwing up since you dropped him off, and the most common response is for the parents to get angry at us for calling them at work and expecting them to come pick their child up!  Day after day I see parents dropping off their children sick. The children don’t want to come they want to be with  their parents when they aren’t well, but the parents still drop them off and say It’s only allergies, or their breakfast didn’t agree with them.

Daycare Vs. Working at Home

Transcribing is not as easy a solution as I thought it would be. The childcare jobs must be turned over in 24 hours. I would have to work all night to get them done. And if I work while Emma is asleep I chance waking her up (we currently live in a one room house).  It’s hard to work during naptime since Emma wakes up whenever I work the transcriber.  Since we’ve been living off of my savings all this time we’ve gotten a little rhythm going that’s been great for us on all possible levels except, obviously, financially.  I’m having a hard time being a stay-at-home mom under my current circumstances and am feeling too pathetic to continue living in such poverty.

I guess I feel guilty putting her daycare and feel like I should do what it takes to stay home with her, no matter how bad things get.  Then I think - well, what would be better for her? I’m leaning more towards the whole daycare thing and I was wondering if anyone who has already put their babies in daycare could say something to ease my worrying, like “oh, it’s fine. They adjust perfectly!”  I worry because I can just see her crying and trying to communicate what it is she needs and a daycare provider not knowing and therefore suffering on both ends. I know it will only be a short adjustment period and then things will settle.  I guess I just needed to write this to sort it all out in my head.

Home Daycare

I live in London Ontarioand own and operate my own private home-based daycare. It is called Little Hands. I have a Business license simply for there name but I am not a licensed daycare facility. Like Leslie and some of the others had mentioned, you can have up to 5 children in your home and not have to be licensed. IN a licensed home daycare you can only have up to 5 children as well including your own, so if you have 1 child he/she needs to be included in your ratio of kids.  Having past 5 children could get you in some deep water as this is actually considered illegal and plus your insurance company will not insure you past the 5 children limit.

If anything were to ever happen to a child who isn’t insured the parents would probably sue you left and right! My insurance company will only insure me for up to a maximum of 3 children and if and when I get past that # of children in my care, they told me to look elsewhere for insurance both for my daycare and house. I have not had past 3 children yet and I have been in operation since Sept/01. I advertised my daycare on bulletin boards in grocery stores, etc and in our local newspaper. In all honesty, I did not have much success finding children ( I got one child through the newspaper ads which I had been advertising for over 2 months to the tune of $82/month! I had also signed up with a local childcare network called London Caregivers Referral Network and that was about $32/month and I didn’t find even one child through those means! Needless to say, it has not been easy for me finding children to take into my daycare and competition here in London is fierce!

Daycare Alternatives

All people who use daycare are ”dumping” their kids… I have no problem with it for older kids, and realize that in some places it’s safe for even the little ones.  I’m just frustrated that I can’t find any useful information from anyone I’ve met around here, and that anyone who isn’t berating me for not being a SAHM is ridiculing me for thinking that it matters who’s watching my baby. I actually had two mothers in the area tell me the other day that I “think too much”, “daycare is all the same, they rip you off for letting your kid play on their floor”, and “it really isn’t worth asking them about anything but price, you’ll see that when you aren’t such an overexcited new mom.”  I’m starting to feel as if I’m the only person in the world who takes a middle ground.  Anyhow, I was commenting on some of the people I’ve met here, not on childcare jobs-users worldwide.

What is the legal situation where you are? In the UKall child minders (home daycare) and nurseries have to be licensed. The majority have trained, qualified staff, with pediatric first aid certificates kept current. I am a child minder, and it does annoy me that people will (illegally) leave their baby with a neighbor rather than properly investigate childcare alternatives….. Anyway, if you use a child minder/home daycare then you do have a strong say in what goes on. Usually, there will only be a handful of children (UK rules are up to six children, including the child minder’s own) and you will get to know them all. Good child minders have open door policies, so you are welcome anytime to pop in and visit, and consult parents about everything – the parent is the primary career, not the minder.

Daycare Dilemma

I’m in somewhat the dilemma.  My son is 2 1/2yo, and I’ve been fortunate enough to be able to keep him home with me since he was seven months old.  I recently tried putting him in daycare part-time, for the social experience, but also to give me a chance to do some of my work-at-home during the day.  However, he has had one illness after another since he started, and after going through rosella followed directly by pneumonia, I decided that this was not a great idea right now.

However, we are moving this summer, and I will have to find a job after we move, meaning that I will also have to find daycare for Michael, if not for Kate (who will be in first grade, but who has been in some form of daycare since she was a year old).  We had a private sitter for Michael when he was an infant, since I don’t feel comfortable about putting an infant in group daycares, but my husband and I both had well-paying childcare jobs then, and we felt the expense was worth it.  I doubt I can find a job that pays that well this time around, so I’m thinking about trying a smaller homecare situation, where there are a lot fewer kids to transmit diseases to each other.

How to Make a Private Daycare More Cooperative

Sounds like you are becoming unhappy and distrustful of the day care staff, or at least with some of the staff and/or management of the staff.  Just based on that info you probably want to look into a new daycare situation. I know it is hard to do things like that. If you have other ‘commercial’ day care centers in your area might want to look into them.  Also if you have not ruled out home daycare I encourage you to look into it as well.   Lastly – don’t rule out ‘church’ based childcare jobs programs simply because you are not of that faith.

You could do a listserv on what is probably essentially a case of old fashioned office politics in a big setting (which would be about as effective as them setting up a listserv about the office politics where you work), or you can find a place in which such silly goings on is unlikely. I would suggest looking into home daycare, where there is one provider (or possibly more, with another adult or two in her employ) in business for herself, little or no turnover, and a small and more flexible setting.

Stay at Home Mom jobs

If one thinks doing home daycare would be good for her then that might be an option. You can make quite a bit of money while being able to stay home with your children.  And since, her kids would be playing with the other kids; her job wouldn’t take her away from being with her own children. For me, this has been the ideal job.  Who knows, when my children are in school full time, I may return to work outside of the home, but for now, we are quite happy with this arrangement and it may work for your friend also. Presently, I have 4 full time daycare children. Potential $100.00 per day!! ($500.00) a week!!  I couldn’t make that working out of the home and having pay $1000.00 per month for my two children to be in daycare. Mention it to her.  You do have to be cut out for this type of work, though.  It isn’t for everyone.

Is there anyone who enjoys these things and doesn’t think they are a social blight?  I know I feel used and abused when people put pressure on me to attend this crap — and of course the companies involved are counting on the guilt factor to foist junk on friends.  Might as well go all the way and just try selling all your friends whole life insurance.

Subsidized Daycare

Government can provide daycare any cheaper then private daycare – in fact, it will probably cost more, because of the extra costs required to administer it. Trade union, like teacher unions, will then emerge at government daycare centers, which will force costs up even higher as they have done at public schools. Of course, this will all be justified by a requirement for child care degrees, which will help keep down the number of people providing daycare and rationalize the need for higher wages. There is no doubt that cheap but good daycare would be nice to have. It used to be that mothers stayed at home to provide ‘free’ daycare for their own children. This service is considered to be ineligible for payment when you take care of your own children, but not if you take care of another’s!

Given that people may wish to work outside the home, they should pay for their own children’s upbringing for that 5 year period before our professional childcare jobs -um- schools take over. Given that some people want to take care of their own children, or may not see the benefit of working outside the home given the amount daycare will then cost them. What this would mean is that many more people who may want to stay at home during their children’s’ developing years can afford to do so, with their contributions acknowledged with an income. This alone would free up more daycare slots for other children whose parent(s) are working.

First of all, daycare *is* education.  The first five years — in fact, the first N years, for any small N — are the most important learning years.  We traditionally used mothers to provide this education, and we should try to keep that option open for those who want it, perhaps by paying mothers but more likely (since paying people to do women’s work is a pretty radical idea) by providing tax breaks of some kind. But many mothers need to work, and many more want to.  If it’s just “want to”, then I see nothing wrong with the present arrangement, namely a tax deduction for the partner with the smaller income; this is my situation, and though it’s expensive as hell (let the Minister of Revenue look for daycare at $2000/year, the maximum deduction per child!) it’s basically not unfair.

Daycare Decisions

Well I stay at home with my son who is 14 months old and I cannot imagine leaving him in the “care” of a stranger.  I do, however, understand that single mothers do not have many choices in their child care arrangements and have to make do with what they can get. And I do feel for those mothers.  But for those two parent families who make good money and choose daycare for an infant rather than having someone stay home, I say shame on you.

Especially for a baby who desperately needs its mother as an infant.  I know a woman who spent thousands of dollars trying to get pregnant because of infertility.  She had to “have” a baby!  Then what does she do?  That just does not make any sense at all.  If you have a child takes the responsibility of caring for him/her. I know it must be a comfort to think that childcare jobs is not a bad place for children and that many articles have been written on how it can even benefit them.  However, just as many articles have been written on how it can also do them harm.  Of course popular culture would have you believe that that is just not true.

Single mothers are exempt from that my son started daycare part-time at age 2.5 after being home with a ”nanny” from a very young (6 weeks) age. At the time I felt it was important to keep him at home even though I didn’t really spend all my time with him. when my daughter came along, i stayed home with her until she was three months old, then both of us went back to where i worked, which included full-service childcare for infants on up through kindergarten. She is still there, now 4.5 and loving it. I hate not being with her during the day and she hated it when I changed jobs, leaving her behind (so she thought) but she has her own life and friends and is very socially skillful.