Day Care Centers in Libraries

I remember mentioning on the list a few weeks ago that there needs to be daycare available EVERYWHERE that women go.  I believe childcare jobs should be performed by trained, qualified personnel.  Women are no longer at home all day long being SOLELY professional wives and mothers the way they were in the 19th century….therefore, there will need to be safe, affordable daycare EVERYWHERE that women need to go.  I say this because the idea of having day care centers attached to libraries, or to the schools with which they are affiliated, is appealing, but there are still questions of staffing, space, and cost which don’t go away just because we say it’s the responsibility of ”the management of the places where women go.”

 Someone does have to pay for these services, regardless of whether you’re talking about a not-for-profit entity or a private business. In the case of the former, it’s the tax-payers, usually, and therefore less obvious and painful, except when the tax bill comes.  In the case of the latter, it’s the consumers–including the childless and those who actually can handle their kids, maybe even preferring to have them along rather than in professional day care while they are shopping, who pay. We select the place we do our shopping largely on the basis of price and a place that offered such superfluous day care services would not likely be competitive.

The word “affordable” is a key.  What is affordable when you’re living at the limits of your budget anyway?  Unless it’s subsidized, there’s no way this day care service is going to be provided by professionals.  Drop-in day care is virtually impossible to make into a self-supporting enterprise. I’m puzzled at the idea that children would somehow be better served by spending the whole day going in and out of various professionally-run day care centers than spending time with their parents.  Have we really reached the point where our children are so unmanageable that we cannot handle them while shopping in a supermarket, standing in a waiting line at a post office or utility company, etc., so we need to have other people paid to do that for is.  If so, the fault lies not in the children or in society, but in ourselves, folks.

Quality Family Life

There is a downside to practically everything.  So if a mother shops her kids off to daycare and does not realize this, she is just not facing reality.  I see them racing by me in the morning with their kids all bundled up in their child seats, and I say “I don’t want to go to work, I KNOW that they really don’t.”  It’s got to be pure hell parting with those kids every morning, especially to the conditions which you describe.  [I am sure there are notable exceptions, of course, but these do not disprove the general rule.]

And people who do not want to be parents such as you described in part of your post ought not to do so. People who do want to be parents ought to insist on changes in the community and society that will optimize the parenting.  The problem is not just that family who cannot afford what you might consider *Quality* childcare jobs is having to put their children in non-quality… (Is this also *cheap* daycare?)….gee whiz….the point is that DAYCARE is not a quality concept. We tell ourselves it is so we can justify that we are doing it.

For single parents…we have a difficult issue here…one that includes considering that it is cost effective to support mothers to be home and stop criticizing them as “on welfare”.  We do not live in an enlightened society…anyone who thinks we are ….needs to contact you off list!! (You are a psychiatrist and they need help with reality orientation) The real economic issue is that we are a consumer society and the only real purpose we have is to have consumers and we think we have to have everyone going home with a paycheck so they can go spend it on stuff they will throw away or didn’t need anyhow!!! I love to shop and spend money and buy stuff.  I love my children and grandchildren MORE.  Change the priority. Re-engineer the marketplace and send a parent home!!!

Solutions for Bad Daycares

Let’s say, for sake of argument that the government decides to give a tax break to families like yours.  (Or are you simply arguing that the tax break for families like MINE should be eliminated? I think they call those sour grapes.) How would such a break be determined.  How much money would you get to save? After all, if I get a really cheap daycare, I would get to save less than someone who has to pay more. And how would Uncle Sam determine if mom is staying home with the kids because they can truly afford to do so because dad makes a good wage, or if they are struggling to pay the bills but feel it is very important for mom (or dad) to be home all day. Or, for that matter, if both parents are indeed employed full time and so making lots of money, but they happen to have been able to take advantage of a free child care provider. (After all, hardly seems right that YOU should get a $500 tax break while paying nothing at all but making two incomes while I get a $500 tax break for paying $2500 a year for child care.)

You have also avoided one other point that I have had in earlier posts. The government allows us to deduct many expenses that are necessary for work.  I am partially self employed as a writer.  The government allows me to deduct the costs of postage stamps that I use to send out my work, and of professional books and journals.  If I wanted to keep track of it, I could even deduct the mileage for every trip to the post office and the electricity and ink I use to run my computer and print things out. They RECOGNIZE that these expenses are necessary for my work; therefore I do not have to pay taxes on that money.  Now I COULD decide to have a job that has no overhead.  Poor me …. I couldn’t deduct ANYTHING on my Schedule C.  Or I could rent a private office for $500 a month and stick my computer in it.  Then I could deduct $6000 a year! But since I don’t make anywhere near that amount off my writing that would be a bit silly. (But, as long as I make a profit at least 3 years out of 5 (meaning I would only be able to deduct a portion of that rent), the government wouldn’t care. They would accept that I need an office to do my job. It is a necessary expense.

Paying for Daycare for Kids

You are the one having to pay $100 a week for approximately 2 1/2 hours of childcare a week. BUT, if looked at from the daycare provider’s POV, it’s a whole different kettle of fish. In a lot of areas, there is a limit as to how many children you can be responsible for at one time. The last time I used childcare, it was 6 children per adult. So, if there is one person there, they can only have 6 children at a time. That half hour of daycare after school is most likely actually taking up a whole slot for the entire day. So, from the daycare provider’s POV, you will have to pay for the entire slot for the entire day, even if you don’t use all of tho should have explained better what meant by “subsidized” before/afterschool care—you have to refer entire not-for-profit programs that benefit from subsidized supports and thus do not charge “market childcare jobs rates” (such as programs run by the schools themselves, which are great if the school offers them!). I’m intimately familiar with the need-based child care subsidy programs, but no longer qualify.

There is no before/afterschool care provided at my kids’ particular building. There may be programs at other schools in the (very large) district, but not here. And there are some schools that are served by park district programs, but again, not our particular neighborhood school. The only options for this particular school are a couple of private, for-profit centers that do pick up from the neighborhood school, or in-home providers. I could enroll them in a park district program that serves another neighborhood for about $150/month per child, but I’d have to provide transportation from the school to there.  se hours.

Reasonable Pay for Daycare

The reasonable pay for childcare jobs depends on your area — some parts of the east or west coast charge a lot for child care because the cost of living and salaries are significantly higher whereas places in the Deep South or mid-west may charge less because it’s not as expensive to live there and the salaries are generally lower. The adult-child ratio will also affect the average cost — a lower adult-child ratio means that more staff is required which translates to a higher cost for child care.  Also, if you’re looking for infant or toddler care (which you are if your child is 18 months old), the cost is usually higher than it would be for a preschooler.

The qualifications of the provider and the expectations for child care also contribute to the salary. If you want someone who knows CPR and first aid with a modicum of training in child development and activities, plus experience and maturity, with responsibilities such as preparing meals, field trips, art or other activities, you need to pay that person a decent wage — if you’re expecting that person to come to your home, you’ll also have social security and possible health benefits to consider. In any case, regardless of the area and regardless of home or center environment, IMHO, a qualified, competent, trained child care provider should START at $8-12 per hour — they probably should make even more than that because child care is such a valuable service, but American society doesn’t seem to think so.

Daycare Rates

Price does not equal better care. Just because the price is higher does not mean the care is better. Nor can you depend on the appearance of the facility. Of course you want a clean and safe facility but the most important factor is the care giver. You can’t judge a care giver on a short question and answer visit.  Nor can you depend on government worker to screen care providers for you. After you narrow your list down you need to take time to drop in at busy hours and observe. Don’t take your child to a facility that won’t allow these parents should always be welcome. Also don’t expect parents using a facility to look at it with a critical eye. Lastly talk about cost. There are many way to reduce cost.  If you have a flexible job sometimes you can do some work in trade? Your husband or you might trade some yard or house work to reduce cost. Sometime you can watch the care givers children at nights and weekends in trade.

With my first I was a full time student on aid and had to be very creative to get day care so I could finish school and support my daughter. I never spent top dolor but I always had the best care for her.  I plumbed a new sink in on providers home for a month of free care, I spent a weekend at her house watching her kids (with mine in tow),  I worked a week during summer break so she could go on vacation and I also provide care when she became ill,  and drove her daughter to swim lesions.  When I switch to center based care when my daughter was older I came in at night a cleaned and did odd jobs for the owner.  Even if you can’t exchange work for childcare jobs rates can be negotiable especially if you pay cash in advance and can get a fixed rate instead of an hourly one. My best day care value was a woman who lived near by who’s husband had died and her kids had all moved away. She did not drive but loved children. I took her shopping and to the bank and she spoiled my daughter.  She did not want any money and loves having a little girl in the house to bake cookies with and read books to.

Taking Advantage of Daycare

Some parents are taking advantage of their daycare providers. Numerous parents go through the same cycles. They bring their children to childcare job centers and the first few weeks they have a very difficult time leaving their children, there are tears from both the children and parents. But after getting adjusted the advantage taking begins. Parents start picking up later and later, and dropping off earlier and earlier. They stop feeding their children breakfast in the morning, expectation us to do it. They start showing up without phone calls five to thirty minutes after closing time, with no apologies. Many parents try to fool us and pretend they don’t get off work until five thirty or six o’clock when we know they get off work at three- thirty, why aren’t they spending that valuable time with their children!

Another way of taking advantage is by ignoring the illness guidelines. By law sick children are not allowed to attend daycare. If a child is vomiting or has diarrhea they must be kept home for at least twenty four hours after the symptoms have stopped.  Many parents don’t want to miss work so they lie about their children being sick.

Many times a child will get sick at daycare, and daycare providers will call the parents and say their child has a fever of 102, and has been crying and throwing up since you dropped him off, and the most common response is for the parents to get angry at us for calling them at work and expecting them to come pick their child up!  Day after day I see parents dropping off their children sick. The children don’t want to come they want to be with  their parents when they aren’t well, but the parents still drop them off and say It’s only allergies, or their breakfast didn’t agree with them.

Home Daycare

I live in London Ontarioand own and operate my own private home-based daycare. It is called Little Hands. I have a Business license simply for there name but I am not a licensed daycare facility. Like Leslie and some of the others had mentioned, you can have up to 5 children in your home and not have to be licensed. IN a licensed home daycare you can only have up to 5 children as well including your own, so if you have 1 child he/she needs to be included in your ratio of kids.  Having past 5 children could get you in some deep water as this is actually considered illegal and plus your insurance company will not insure you past the 5 children limit.

If anything were to ever happen to a child who isn’t insured the parents would probably sue you left and right! My insurance company will only insure me for up to a maximum of 3 children and if and when I get past that # of children in my care, they told me to look elsewhere for insurance both for my daycare and house. I have not had past 3 children yet and I have been in operation since Sept/01. I advertised my daycare on bulletin boards in grocery stores, etc and in our local newspaper. In all honesty, I did not have much success finding children ( I got one child through the newspaper ads which I had been advertising for over 2 months to the tune of $82/month! I had also signed up with a local childcare network called London Caregivers Referral Network and that was about $32/month and I didn’t find even one child through those means! Needless to say, it has not been easy for me finding children to take into my daycare and competition here in London is fierce!

Daycare Alternatives

All people who use daycare are ”dumping” their kids… I have no problem with it for older kids, and realize that in some places it’s safe for even the little ones.  I’m just frustrated that I can’t find any useful information from anyone I’ve met around here, and that anyone who isn’t berating me for not being a SAHM is ridiculing me for thinking that it matters who’s watching my baby. I actually had two mothers in the area tell me the other day that I “think too much”, “daycare is all the same, they rip you off for letting your kid play on their floor”, and “it really isn’t worth asking them about anything but price, you’ll see that when you aren’t such an overexcited new mom.”  I’m starting to feel as if I’m the only person in the world who takes a middle ground.  Anyhow, I was commenting on some of the people I’ve met here, not on childcare jobs-users worldwide.

What is the legal situation where you are? In the UKall child minders (home daycare) and nurseries have to be licensed. The majority have trained, qualified staff, with pediatric first aid certificates kept current. I am a child minder, and it does annoy me that people will (illegally) leave their baby with a neighbor rather than properly investigate childcare alternatives….. Anyway, if you use a child minder/home daycare then you do have a strong say in what goes on. Usually, there will only be a handful of children (UK rules are up to six children, including the child minder’s own) and you will get to know them all. Good child minders have open door policies, so you are welcome anytime to pop in and visit, and consult parents about everything – the parent is the primary career, not the minder.

How to Make a Private Daycare More Cooperative

Sounds like you are becoming unhappy and distrustful of the day care staff, or at least with some of the staff and/or management of the staff.  Just based on that info you probably want to look into a new daycare situation. I know it is hard to do things like that. If you have other ‘commercial’ day care centers in your area might want to look into them.  Also if you have not ruled out home daycare I encourage you to look into it as well.   Lastly – don’t rule out ‘church’ based childcare jobs programs simply because you are not of that faith.

You could do a listserv on what is probably essentially a case of old fashioned office politics in a big setting (which would be about as effective as them setting up a listserv about the office politics where you work), or you can find a place in which such silly goings on is unlikely. I would suggest looking into home daycare, where there is one provider (or possibly more, with another adult or two in her employ) in business for herself, little or no turnover, and a small and more flexible setting.