Day Care Centers in Libraries

I remember mentioning on the list a few weeks ago that there needs to be daycare available EVERYWHERE that women go.  I believe childcare jobs should be performed by trained, qualified personnel.  Women are no longer at home all day long being SOLELY professional wives and mothers the way they were in the 19th century….therefore, there will need to be safe, affordable daycare EVERYWHERE that women need to go.  I say this because the idea of having day care centers attached to libraries, or to the schools with which they are affiliated, is appealing, but there are still questions of staffing, space, and cost which don’t go away just because we say it’s the responsibility of ”the management of the places where women go.”

 Someone does have to pay for these services, regardless of whether you’re talking about a not-for-profit entity or a private business. In the case of the former, it’s the tax-payers, usually, and therefore less obvious and painful, except when the tax bill comes.  In the case of the latter, it’s the consumers–including the childless and those who actually can handle their kids, maybe even preferring to have them along rather than in professional day care while they are shopping, who pay. We select the place we do our shopping largely on the basis of price and a place that offered such superfluous day care services would not likely be competitive.

The word “affordable” is a key.  What is affordable when you’re living at the limits of your budget anyway?  Unless it’s subsidized, there’s no way this day care service is going to be provided by professionals.  Drop-in day care is virtually impossible to make into a self-supporting enterprise. I’m puzzled at the idea that children would somehow be better served by spending the whole day going in and out of various professionally-run day care centers than spending time with their parents.  Have we really reached the point where our children are so unmanageable that we cannot handle them while shopping in a supermarket, standing in a waiting line at a post office or utility company, etc., so we need to have other people paid to do that for is.  If so, the fault lies not in the children or in society, but in ourselves, folks.

Quality Family Life

There is a downside to practically everything.  So if a mother shops her kids off to daycare and does not realize this, she is just not facing reality.  I see them racing by me in the morning with their kids all bundled up in their child seats, and I say “I don’t want to go to work, I KNOW that they really don’t.”  It’s got to be pure hell parting with those kids every morning, especially to the conditions which you describe.  [I am sure there are notable exceptions, of course, but these do not disprove the general rule.]

And people who do not want to be parents such as you described in part of your post ought not to do so. People who do want to be parents ought to insist on changes in the community and society that will optimize the parenting.  The problem is not just that family who cannot afford what you might consider *Quality* childcare jobs is having to put their children in non-quality… (Is this also *cheap* daycare?)….gee whiz….the point is that DAYCARE is not a quality concept. We tell ourselves it is so we can justify that we are doing it.

For single parents…we have a difficult issue here…one that includes considering that it is cost effective to support mothers to be home and stop criticizing them as “on welfare”.  We do not live in an enlightened society…anyone who thinks we are ….needs to contact you off list!! (You are a psychiatrist and they need help with reality orientation) The real economic issue is that we are a consumer society and the only real purpose we have is to have consumers and we think we have to have everyone going home with a paycheck so they can go spend it on stuff they will throw away or didn’t need anyhow!!! I love to shop and spend money and buy stuff.  I love my children and grandchildren MORE.  Change the priority. Re-engineer the marketplace and send a parent home!!!

Working Mothers

What would help me as a working mom is fair treatment from politicians and the media.  I enjoy my life, and wouldn’t have it any other way, but it would be way cool not to have quite so many people thinking that I am doing something wrong and looking down their noses at me. (1) Quit it with the “it’s better if young children are home with one parent.”  Pfui.  Americans like the idea better, that’s all.  Show me some legitimate research that shows this (there isn’t any).  Really, both ways are fine.  Kids like daycare and thrive there.  Kids like to be at home and thrive there, too.

(2) Quit comparing childcare jobs with some impossible ideal of stay-at-home parenthood.  I represent women getting restraining orders, and I’ve seen plenty of stay at home parents who have had their parental rights terminated.  I’m *not* saying this is typical: it isn’t.  But neither is the perfect mom (the image *is* a mom, not a dad) who takes her children out for interesting educational field trips every day, never loses her temper, never sticks her kids in front of the TV so she can get something done, gives her children only educational toys and nutritional food. Compare daycare to the *average* stay at home parent, not what you’d like to believe she is like.

(3) Quit it with the “some women *have* to work.”  It is fine to work, even if you wouldn’t starve otherwise. (4) Bring some coherence to the treatment of poor women and middle class women. Poor women are supposed to “get off their butts and work”. Middle class women are supposed to quit their jobs and stay home, even if they’d much rather not. (5) Quit it with the working moms versus stay at home moms attitude. I know that U.S. likes to view everything as a big fight (preferably akin to pro wrestling), but this shouldn’t be a fight. We are all moms who love their kids, and we should be on the same side.

Solutions for Bad Daycares

Let’s say, for sake of argument that the government decides to give a tax break to families like yours.  (Or are you simply arguing that the tax break for families like MINE should be eliminated? I think they call those sour grapes.) How would such a break be determined.  How much money would you get to save? After all, if I get a really cheap daycare, I would get to save less than someone who has to pay more. And how would Uncle Sam determine if mom is staying home with the kids because they can truly afford to do so because dad makes a good wage, or if they are struggling to pay the bills but feel it is very important for mom (or dad) to be home all day. Or, for that matter, if both parents are indeed employed full time and so making lots of money, but they happen to have been able to take advantage of a free child care provider. (After all, hardly seems right that YOU should get a $500 tax break while paying nothing at all but making two incomes while I get a $500 tax break for paying $2500 a year for child care.)

You have also avoided one other point that I have had in earlier posts. The government allows us to deduct many expenses that are necessary for work.  I am partially self employed as a writer.  The government allows me to deduct the costs of postage stamps that I use to send out my work, and of professional books and journals.  If I wanted to keep track of it, I could even deduct the mileage for every trip to the post office and the electricity and ink I use to run my computer and print things out. They RECOGNIZE that these expenses are necessary for my work; therefore I do not have to pay taxes on that money.  Now I COULD decide to have a job that has no overhead.  Poor me …. I couldn’t deduct ANYTHING on my Schedule C.  Or I could rent a private office for $500 a month and stick my computer in it.  Then I could deduct $6000 a year! But since I don’t make anywhere near that amount off my writing that would be a bit silly. (But, as long as I make a profit at least 3 years out of 5 (meaning I would only be able to deduct a portion of that rent), the government wouldn’t care. They would accept that I need an office to do my job. It is a necessary expense.

Daycare: Would Targeted Tax Credits Discriminate?

The Family Income Report provides color pictures showing trends of real median family incomes to increase awareness. Incomes have hardly improved past 2 1/2 decades, especially compared to the rate of improvement for prior generations – - especially for families with children – - while their tax rates for homes, FICA, etc.  are much higher than prior generations. It is understandable such places economic stress on many families, forcing more mothers to seek work outside the home than might otherwise be the case – - and getting others to help pay day care cost is of interest to them.

Some family members justify their choice of mom working or not by saying it ‘takes 2 incomes to make ends meet,’ and they naturally hope for cheap daycare subsidized by others if possible. Yet the level of consumption & life style desired by some families (as necessary to ‘meet their needs’)  may be much more than would be accepted by others as necessary to ‘meet their needs’ when considering priorities for mom to be home or not. For example, family A may desire consumption levels of new cars and furniture, eating out and packaged vacations requiring mom to work, whereas family B might reduce consumption by use of older cars and 2nd-hand furniture in a smaller house with only short vacations and less eating out – in order for mom to be at home full-time. Why, then, should government intervene to un-naturally shape social behavior and family choice in favor of those subcontracting childcare jobs (family A) vs. those families (family B) sacrificing consumptive life styles so mom can be at home because they believe a full-time mom is best and not want daycare of their children by others – - and when the ’stay-at-home-mother’ families would be required to chip in taxes to subsidize the others? Additionally, there is a Family C where high consumption can occur even if mom does not work, but mom wants to work for other reasons and therefore subcontracts daycare, but would also like day care subsidized by others. Is family B being discriminated against in favor of families A and C? Is it necessary for government to take actions promoting one family choice but not another?

Paying for Daycare for Kids

You are the one having to pay $100 a week for approximately 2 1/2 hours of childcare a week. BUT, if looked at from the daycare provider’s POV, it’s a whole different kettle of fish. In a lot of areas, there is a limit as to how many children you can be responsible for at one time. The last time I used childcare, it was 6 children per adult. So, if there is one person there, they can only have 6 children at a time. That half hour of daycare after school is most likely actually taking up a whole slot for the entire day. So, from the daycare provider’s POV, you will have to pay for the entire slot for the entire day, even if you don’t use all of tho should have explained better what meant by “subsidized” before/afterschool care—you have to refer entire not-for-profit programs that benefit from subsidized supports and thus do not charge “market childcare jobs rates” (such as programs run by the schools themselves, which are great if the school offers them!). I’m intimately familiar with the need-based child care subsidy programs, but no longer qualify.

There is no before/afterschool care provided at my kids’ particular building. There may be programs at other schools in the (very large) district, but not here. And there are some schools that are served by park district programs, but again, not our particular neighborhood school. The only options for this particular school are a couple of private, for-profit centers that do pick up from the neighborhood school, or in-home providers. I could enroll them in a park district program that serves another neighborhood for about $150/month per child, but I’d have to provide transportation from the school to there.  se hours.

Reasonable Pay for Daycare

The reasonable pay for childcare jobs depends on your area — some parts of the east or west coast charge a lot for child care because the cost of living and salaries are significantly higher whereas places in the Deep South or mid-west may charge less because it’s not as expensive to live there and the salaries are generally lower. The adult-child ratio will also affect the average cost — a lower adult-child ratio means that more staff is required which translates to a higher cost for child care.  Also, if you’re looking for infant or toddler care (which you are if your child is 18 months old), the cost is usually higher than it would be for a preschooler.

The qualifications of the provider and the expectations for child care also contribute to the salary. If you want someone who knows CPR and first aid with a modicum of training in child development and activities, plus experience and maturity, with responsibilities such as preparing meals, field trips, art or other activities, you need to pay that person a decent wage — if you’re expecting that person to come to your home, you’ll also have social security and possible health benefits to consider. In any case, regardless of the area and regardless of home or center environment, IMHO, a qualified, competent, trained child care provider should START at $8-12 per hour — they probably should make even more than that because child care is such a valuable service, but American society doesn’t seem to think so.

Infant Daycare Costs

I am preparing myself for the shock of childcare jobs costs, but haven’t a specific number yet.  Since it is very early for me to be calling places, I was hoping for some input from others in the group who are closer to using daycare, or who have other children in daycare. I’m hearing $175 a week in Mass for commercial day care centers; $150 for at home moms who can take in up to 6 children in their homes (Mass laws allow for 6 in a home, up to 2 who are children of the provider).  Are these numbers in the ballpark?  If so, I’m thinking au pair, which I HAVE researched, and that is between $190-205 a week.  I think it will be worth the extra money (if it is indeed extra per week – obviously the extra household costs are not included in this figure).

I can not stay at home, since I make 2X what my husband does. He just finished a law degree at night, and it is important to us that he starts a legal job ASAP. We feel that if he doesn’t use this degree to change careers soon, that he will have a hard time getting a legal job after a few years off with baby. Despite our healthy income, we struggled for 7 months while my husband took a leave of absence from his job to study for finals, graduate, study for the bar exam, take the bar exam (he passed!), and do some volunteer work for legal aid. This doesn’t mean we can’t do better, but I know our costs will be going up and want to create a realistic budget.

Daycare Rates

Price does not equal better care. Just because the price is higher does not mean the care is better. Nor can you depend on the appearance of the facility. Of course you want a clean and safe facility but the most important factor is the care giver. You can’t judge a care giver on a short question and answer visit.  Nor can you depend on government worker to screen care providers for you. After you narrow your list down you need to take time to drop in at busy hours and observe. Don’t take your child to a facility that won’t allow these parents should always be welcome. Also don’t expect parents using a facility to look at it with a critical eye. Lastly talk about cost. There are many way to reduce cost.  If you have a flexible job sometimes you can do some work in trade? Your husband or you might trade some yard or house work to reduce cost. Sometime you can watch the care givers children at nights and weekends in trade.

With my first I was a full time student on aid and had to be very creative to get day care so I could finish school and support my daughter. I never spent top dolor but I always had the best care for her.  I plumbed a new sink in on providers home for a month of free care, I spent a weekend at her house watching her kids (with mine in tow),  I worked a week during summer break so she could go on vacation and I also provide care when she became ill,  and drove her daughter to swim lesions.  When I switch to center based care when my daughter was older I came in at night a cleaned and did odd jobs for the owner.  Even if you can’t exchange work for childcare jobs rates can be negotiable especially if you pay cash in advance and can get a fixed rate instead of an hourly one. My best day care value was a woman who lived near by who’s husband had died and her kids had all moved away. She did not drive but loved children. I took her shopping and to the bank and she spoiled my daughter.  She did not want any money and loves having a little girl in the house to bake cookies with and read books to.

Taking Advantage of Daycare

Some parents are taking advantage of their daycare providers. Numerous parents go through the same cycles. They bring their children to childcare job centers and the first few weeks they have a very difficult time leaving their children, there are tears from both the children and parents. But after getting adjusted the advantage taking begins. Parents start picking up later and later, and dropping off earlier and earlier. They stop feeding their children breakfast in the morning, expectation us to do it. They start showing up without phone calls five to thirty minutes after closing time, with no apologies. Many parents try to fool us and pretend they don’t get off work until five thirty or six o’clock when we know they get off work at three- thirty, why aren’t they spending that valuable time with their children!

Another way of taking advantage is by ignoring the illness guidelines. By law sick children are not allowed to attend daycare. If a child is vomiting or has diarrhea they must be kept home for at least twenty four hours after the symptoms have stopped.  Many parents don’t want to miss work so they lie about their children being sick.

Many times a child will get sick at daycare, and daycare providers will call the parents and say their child has a fever of 102, and has been crying and throwing up since you dropped him off, and the most common response is for the parents to get angry at us for calling them at work and expecting them to come pick their child up!  Day after day I see parents dropping off their children sick. The children don’t want to come they want to be with  their parents when they aren’t well, but the parents still drop them off and say It’s only allergies, or their breakfast didn’t agree with them.